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DamienL
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Aug 17, 2004, 10:59 PM

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I have been practising yoga asanas for over a year now and I'm considering teacher training. One thing that is really bothering me about it is the high cost of training. The main reason it bothers me is if I am to accept someone as my teacher or guru I need to feel that they embody the main principals of yoga. A yogi hasn't the need nor desire for material wealth and would dispense knowledge to seekers if they show necessary desire and faith. In the same token I don't expect for a yoga teacher to be subject to extreme poverty. I must admit that I am ignorant to the amount of money that an average iyengar teacher would make. I suppose it just bothers me to see that something that existed as a guru/sisya relationship being made into a western type teacher/student relationship.
I see the guru/sisya relationship as something which is transcendental and holy not based on materialism but on the search and realisation of god; making it devotional.
A western system of teacher/student is mainly based on the exchange of money for knowledge. This knowledge wont have the same worth as that which arises from a spiritual relationship, and I'm hardly convinced that spiritual realisation could arise from it.

I would like to hear from anyone regarding this subject especially any yoga instructors.
Namaste


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 18, 2004, 5:42 AM

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Damien, thanks for your excellent posting of this issue. I am not currently a teacher, but I paid around $1000 for a year-long teacher-training from a certified Iyengar teacher.

No matter whether money is exchanged between two people—when they come into a room together, the possibility exists for their heart-minds to meet. Lots of other possibilities exist, too. For example, the purchaser of the services may stay safely within his role as purchaser, and the seller may stay safely within her role as seller. Because of the clinging to these roles, whatever liberation occurs will be limited, right?

I suppose it was the same way in times past. The guru may well have been stuck in some role, perhaps doubtful of his authority, or concerned about loneliness in old age, or hunger of the belly in old age, and thereby limited his contact with the devotee’s heart-mind. There’s certainly a fair amount of evidence that some gurus of the past had as many hang-ups as some of the gurus of today.

Transcendence is tricky. If you can find a teacher who has no need of food, clothing and shelter, and whose most coveted reward is to be your teacher, then you have done really well in finding a great teacher. I haven’t found such a teacher yet. So I have given money to the teachers I have studied with, all pretty middle-class people who go on living with the accoutrements of middle-class life. It’s possible to have the accoutrements without being attached to them. Are they attached? I don’t focus on that, because I already know they have some hang-ups, like I do.

It’s a fact that there are teachers who charge a lot of money to train others to be teachers. Not all teachers do. You could find one of them if you wanted to.


tenderwoman
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Aug 18, 2004, 9:11 AM

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Hello guys,

I was inspired to answer in the morning, but I had some duties. Now I see two postings on yoga and money, and I have even greater inspiration to add my "opinion" to this topic, living, working, practising yoga-iyengar in Eastern Europe.

Many times I see, that people in western world have this imagination - the best yogi, guru, teacher, has to live somewhere in the forests, begging for food, no clothing, no shelter, that only this yogi is really devoted to his own path and his students.

Most of us, we live between many people, in "civilized" world, or if escaping to the nature during the weekend, always coming back to the city, to work, being in contact with different people. Always, some people live in the middle of the nature, in beautiful villages, mostly working outside in the nature, living very naturally. Somebody can say - oh, lucky people.

It s upon the individual, how and where, he or she decides to live and work. Sometimes such a decision takes a lots of courage. And also everybody has some karma, nobody escapes it, but yoga gives the power that we can transform bad karma into positive way, or postpone, when being more stronger to go through such experiences, or "delete" it. We can become the creators of our lives being in harmony with God´s rules.

Perfect, ideal yogis, gurus are also living in the middle of busy "civilization", not attached to their material surrounding.

From my experience living a certain time in Western Europe-UK, also in Canada, and what I hear from people who live there now, maybe it is really difficult to find yoga teachers, who are more personal to their students in western world. As I watched local relationships, and people, comparing with Slovan nature, which I know and live from the moment I was born in this life, I see the relationships in western world being more "cold", more impersonal. I can understand that, because the society forces people to function this way, if they want to survive, but it is not very intelligent system, it always brings lots of problems, mostly psychological ones.

The society always depends on individuals, who create their individual lives, like the individual cells in the body, with their individual psychics create the society of cells, in some organ-planet, stars and the whole body-universe with other organs and tissues.
So it alwyas depends on the individual, which way in relationships with other people he or she chooses in life. More people with warm approach to others in the society, more warmth in the society, different inner society realtioships, lifestyles, culture, civilization.

I was "lucky" to meet warm people in western world, but I was still able to see some of their customs, they are used to, maybe being more cautious in contacts with others, considering the sincerity of their emotions. I always saw, more fears in such a behaviour.

My teacher of yoga has really warm realtionship with her students. She used to go with us for a tea, she knows us very well, and sometimes we feel we are like her children and she is our mum. Also other teacher from Poland, I used to go to his seminars, has this warm slovan nature, and between the exercises on one week seminar he goes for a walk with his students, we have space to talk with him a lot.

People here in my country are more emotional, so more relaxed, but when I see the negative sides of "westernisation" of Eastern Europe, I see people are becoming the same as in western world, living their lives with "hunting the money" if they want to survive, to have basic conditions for living.
The emotional mix of quite fresh memory on socialism and relatively comfortable slow living style and new emotions connected with western style of living, creates really strong new quality of human relationships here, which is not very positive too.

So again it depends on individual here to save the old emotions, warm human relationships.
Especially on yogis.

Sometimes one of my friends says, she would like to live her life in the "old", ancient society, in the times when people lived together with more love, warmth, understanding, without wars, all that technology, stress, living more naturally, ecologically, creating real culture and art in all dimensions of human life.
Such a society was on many places of the Earth, but was slowly destroyed by "new culture", "civilised people". Today are are born in the middle of "civilization" and wondering what we are doing on such a place, why we are here. We are entangled into this world.

It again depends on individual whether he or she will prefer "new" values, or the "old" ones.
But sometimes we have to addopt our behaviour to the system, dress on the "clothes" of maja, ilusion, but follow the rules of the God, skillfully "skate" in situations without creating new karma.

Some people here think, they get a lot of something in business for a few money. They still remember the old style of bussiness-barter business. The new style of business, with money has no logic for them.The barter business still survived between good friends here.
Also the students in ancient times were in this realtionship of barter business with guru. They were also his servants, to bring him food, to take care of his living place.
Now, nobody can pay a rent for a flat, or business office "just for a basket of tomatoes, or freh fruit from the garden".
It would be really nicer, to live simple natural life with barter business, but if you try something like that, people usually abuse this, because they have less morality and values left, and everybody wants to survive somehow.

So than, you have to accept the money, as the change article for a service.

Yoga teachers have in former Czechoslovakia have still good prices, but sometimes it is at the border-line for them to survive, because they have to pay their own continual expensive teacher training education in western world. For people from eastern world those prices are much bigger than for people from western, at home. I still wonder how clever they are to survive, they really are not having big property, and have very humble living needs.

So for an average individual here without the help of family, or sponsors, are the western prices non-reachable. So the applicants for the teacher training here have to wait for somebody from Eastern Europe, Czechoslovakia, who will be certified for teaching the other teachers having „normal“ prices for us.

I m trying the private practise on my skin now (it s quite fresh), so I see that it is really not so easy, even to spare some money for casual iyengar yoga classes here and yoga seminars with „our eastern prices“, with having all the expenses around the business and basic humble living.

Maybe this topic of yoga and money will have to be considered somehow in the future. Yogis are the part of this world, it depends on them, and they know what they do, are responsible for that, and I agree, they have their own problems too.

Are the yogis from economically weaker countries worse ? No, I don t think. There is some karma, why who was born where in space and time, that s true, and has to seek his own reasons how to get out from „bad“ economical and life situation, to work on him/herself, and the best way is really again yoga. Practising yoga at home everyday, every second of life, but everybody who wants to make progress, wants to be checked, if his/her practise is right or not in many details. Somebody wants to go further, not only take but also give the knowledge and love to others, make the sense of this effort in yoga, being useful in society in this way. He/she has to again wait for a right moment in life, when will be really ready, enough mature and experienced for such a responsible and interesting task in life-being the trainer of yoga asanas.

Everybody has to consider his own opportunities and make some effort to find the teacher, who will „fit like the key to the lock“ to our desires and faith, or consider the desires and faith, if it’s in harmony with „reality“.

Sometimes we just have to wait for the precise time, place and person. Not to force our life.

Namaste


DamienL
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Aug 18, 2004, 8:54 PM

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Thanks Bryan for your response,
Perhaps what I wrote came of a little harsh in my initial posting about the teacher/student relationship. I do agree that between a teacher and student that their hearts/minds can meet, provided the intention behind the relationship is one to know and experience god; not knowledge for money.
Yes I believe that even in the past that the guru/sisya relationship could have been polluted by such desires of the guru as you have mentioned.
I suppose we all need to take responsibility for our own motivations/desires and karma in our effort towards liberation in the best way we know how.


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 19, 2004, 5:58 AM

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Yes, it seems we are all in agreement. I do have traces of sadness and frustration about the situation with paying money. Also, continuing confusion. I went to a "class" called something like "Spiritual Development" a couple of weeks ago costing $14.00 U.S. First there was kirtan (devotional singing), and then the teacher strolled in and sat on a raised platform. She just talked wisely while tumbling crystals in her hands, led a guided meditation, and answered questions. She was funny, warm, wise, playful. It was nice. One of the things my mind said was, "This isn't really a class. It's more like a thing that should be by donation." And if I may confess, were I to attend this "class" on a donation basis, I would probably give around $5.00. What does all this mean? Confusion, for one.


Nadia
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Aug 19, 2004, 6:21 PM

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I think yoga falls into the category of "new age" type things that are pretty popular at the moment, and with anything like that, you find alot opretentious crap. I'm from Australia, and at the moment yoga is getting really popular. Last year I saw a tv program about things like yoga, meditation, etc. They show focused mainly on Hollywood and talked about stars like Madonna and Sting and it was interesting but some of the people they showed it was obvious they weren't genuine, they were just in it to rip people off. My friend who I go to yoga with got really annoyed because she thinks they are more damaging to yoga than anything else. I just choose to ignore people like this. Really they're not doing themselves or anyone else a favour in the end.

But when it comes to genuine yoga teachers, I understand how they are not supposed to be materialistic, but they still have to live! To what extent can we dictate a yogi's lifestyle? There are some who follow the rules to the letter, but when you're living in a western, capitalist society, these rules may not all be as relevant, or we may not be able to follow them. It's like how with Christianity, if you want to follow the rules of the bible, they were written in a completely different time and honestly I don't think some of them are relevant to us because they were written for another society. I know a lot of othes probably disagree with me on that, but somtimes I think we have to be more realistic about what we can do, and also less hard on ourselves. Maybe I'm going a bit of topic here, but I guess what I'm saying is that even though it's better not to have materialistic values, we still need to earn a living and a yoga teacher does that by offering his or her services. I can see what you're saying, but I don't think that charging for your services is necessarily thinking materialistically, everybody is worth something and everyone has to live.


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 20, 2004, 5:34 AM

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There are teachers in this very world who teach, and teaching is all that they do, and they simply ask you to give them what you can give them.

What do you think of that?


Nadia
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Aug 21, 2004, 3:08 AM

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In fact, my yoga teacher made the same proposition to me once. In our area he teaches at a few different gyms and community centres etc. Some are more expensive than others. He knows I am a student and he told me he understands what it's like to not have much money and that he wouldn't think I was just being cheap if I gave him what I could. Even though he said that, I still wanted to pay him the standard fee because I think he deserves it, he's such a good teacher Smile However, there would be people out there who would take advantage of people like him, who just take, take, take. Still, he probably wouldn't make that kind of offer to people like that.

If someone is prepared to only ask what people are able to give, that's great, and I admire people like that. But I can understand somebody charging to a standard fee to make a living. I do think it's a bad thing to make practices like yoga something exclusive, which reminds me, how does it work at Iyengar's Institute in Pune? My teacher told me there is a very long waiting list to go there, but he didn't mention fees or anything like that. How does Mr Iyengar himself handle this issue?


jday
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Aug 26, 2004, 11:15 AM

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I think that there is a difference between a yoga teacher and a guru. A true guru, or Perfect Master, is someone who has realized God in this lifetime. S(h)e does not accept money for his teachings. Most likely he is not teaching the asanas, but giving universal truths about life and how to conquer the mind and know the self. Through his contact with God, he is able to liberate the seeking souls. A yoga teacher on the other hand, I see as someone who knows the philosophy of yoga through study, and perhaps some experience, and teaches the yoga postures. They do their best to live according to the teachings of yoga as they understand them. I see no problem with paying a yoga teacher (and I know the people on this thread also do not have this problem). Some people may charge more than others, depending on where they live and other means of income. The teacher I am apprenticing with charges very reasonable rates (C$120 for 12 classes, plus C$20 per assignment). I feel like a true yoga teacher will not overcharge their students, but will charge what they need to live a decent life.

One thing I have been surprised about is that I have never had a yoga teacher who is completely vegetarian. I would have thought that would be one of the first things to happen. I would really like to have a completely veggetarian teacher.

I took a Hatha Yoga teacher training that was 1 month, 6 days a week. Including food, airfare, training and a camping space, the entire thing cost me C$3000. That is the cheapest training that I could find in all my research. The people who organized the training operated at a loss, but wanted to give the students a sample of what the yogic lifestyle is like. The teacher trainers made hardly any money, but did it for the love of yoga and the life experience.

So it is definitely possible to find a training program that lives the principles of yoga.

On a slightly different note, I have heard that Mr. Iyengar would never allow people to call him a guru in the past, but does so now. Does anyone know anything about this? I am also curious as to how much the Puna program costs


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 26, 2004, 1:28 PM

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jday, it sort of sounds like you don't believe that yoga is a way of realizing universal truths, conquering the mind, and knowing the self. Yoga means more than just the postures, don't you think?


jday
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Yoga is definitely more than just the postures. I follow a system called Surat Shabd Yoga (yoga of the light and sound/attention). I believe that to truly know the self and conquer the mind it is necessary to have a perfect guru to guide you on the way. I don't entirely subscribe to Patanjali's eight limbs. Although I think that they work and are useful, the most important thing is to have a living guru who can guide you in meditation, which is the ultimate goal of yoga (meditation leading to self knowledge and conquering of the mind). Without a guru I don't think it is possible to attain the highest state and be liberated from the wheel of karmas. This is not to say that one could not have experiences in meditation.

I think that asanas are a nice but unecessary part of the yogic path. I guess I'm definitely unconventional that way, considering I'm a yoga teacher. What I find the asanas do for me is give me strength and confidence in myself, and center me for meditation.

On my life path my yoga teacher and my guru are completely separate.


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 27, 2004, 11:41 AM

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You know, I can’t pretend to know anything about this except that I’m confused. But I have a business venture in mind, and anyone who would like to can offer your feedback and become investors if you like.

Here’s the plan. We start offering classes in how to pray. It costs $15.36 per class. We’ll promote the class by talking about how praying can invigorate your body, mind and spirit. We’ll distribute copies of the recent news reports that talk about the scientific basis for believing that prayer is good for your health. We’ll also start having teacher trainings, to develop new teachers of prayer.

If anyone asks us whether this might go against their religion, we’ll say hell no. If anyone asks whether this “praying” will get them closer to God, we’ll say, well, maybe, because praying is an ancient practice that goes back thousands of years, and some people did seem to get closer to God by praying. But we’re not guaranteeing anything. We’re just focusing on invigorating your mind, body and spirit.

What’s the mission of this business venture? Our intention is pure, and our desires are modest. We want to invigorate people’s bodies, minds and spirits, because in this modern world, there’s too much pollution, fatigue and hopelessness. We also feel that it’s fair that we the teachers, and teachers of teachers, make enough dough to buy a new car every five years, pay the mortgage, go on two vacations per year, and send the kids to college or keep bailing them out of jail till they join the army.


jday
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I'm confused too. Bryan Alexander, was that a reply to my post, or the topic in general?


Nadia
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I was under the impression that asanas were a pretty important part of iyengar yoga. What do you mean by the the "yogic path" jday? I have an iyengar yoga book that says that traditionally pranayama is something that can only be attempted once the student has mastered the practice of asanas, and even then must be taught by a very experienced teacher. I also heard somewhere (perhaps on this website, maybe not) that BKS Iyengar says that yoga is meditation in action. You cannot separate meditation from yoga because meditation is part of a yoga practice. If you were just sitting meditating, you wouldn't be doing yoga, you'd be meditating, and if you were just doing the asanas without paying any attention to meditation it would just be exercise. So, I think that yoga is necessary to the yogic path, that's like saying that meditation is unnecessary to the meditation path, it does make sense.

When you do poses like vrksasana (tree pose) or half moon pose (artatrandasana? can't remember how to spell that one!), which require immense concentration for balance, being clam and relaxed in the pose in order to be able to hold it, isn't that meditation? When you focus of on being still and quiet and turning your thoughts inward, just trying to "be" in a pose, I think that is meditation.

One more question, is any guru perfect? Is Iyengar even perfect, for that matter? I read on the forum about vegetarianism, that apparently the Iyengar family does enjoy coffee, which containing caffine, like any addictive substance one would assume would be looked upon negatively by yoga gurus. What do you think?


tenderwoman
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Iyengar Yoga Resources - articles - Iyengar and the Yoga Tradition written by Karl Baier

Namaste


Bryan Alexander
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I'm confused too. Bryan Alexander, was that a reply to my post, or the topic in general?

jday, my post was regarding the topic in general, but hey, you too can be an investor!


jday
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I was under the impression that asanas were a pretty important part of iyengar yoga. What do you mean by the the "yogic path" jday?

Asanas ARE a major part of Iyengar yoga and that is why I like it. I like the stillness that yoga can start to bring to the mind. Yoga simply means union with the self and the Self. Union with you and God. You do not need to practice asanas to be practicing yoga. For example, some people practice Bhakti Yoga, which is the yoga of devotion. There are no asanas involved there. Same with Karma yoga and Jnana yoga. The asanas are only part of Hatha yoga, and some may argue that they are part of Raja yoga.

I personally do believe that a guru can be perfect. When I say perfect, I mean that this person is a manifestation of God in the human body. Someone like Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha. I mean that this person has spent his/her entire life in the search of God, and then found Him/Her. This person has been put on the earth to awaken sleeping souls. The yoga practiced on this path is Surat Shabd yoga. This means that the meditation done on this path is the meditation of the light and sound. This is an internal light and sound, not visible or audible to the outer ear or eye.

Mr. Iyengar does say that asanas are meditation in motion. I cannot dispute that. But I do think that it is a different form of meditation. Anything can be meditation if done in the right spirit.

Although Iyengar said that pranayama should be practiced only after perfecting the asanas, I believe that that has been modified slightly, and he thinks it is safe to start earlier if you go slowly and with a good teacher. When he was practicing pranayama he was getting carried away and maybe letting his ego get in a bit (I'm getting this info., from my teacher), but now he realizes a softer approach can be beneficial to students.

I don't think that Mr. Iyengar is a perfect guru in my definition of one, but he certainly has given a lot to the world in terms of asana practice. I think Iyengar yoga is the best hatha yoga in the world!


Nadia
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Aug 30, 2004, 11:59 PM

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I have heard "God" mentioned so many times in relation to yoga on this website. I've never thought of yoga as religion as such. If I were to describe it as anything it would be more a way of life, but I find that even looking at it that way is a bit narrow as it seems to somehow put in into a category that limits people's perceptions of it. It may also have dogmatic connotations and although people can have a dogmatic way of looking at yoga, just as they can with religion, I don't think it is quite the same with yoga. Can a perfect Guru as jday puts it, perhaps lean towards being dogmatic? Can the strive for perfection lead to dogmatism?

Can anybody explain to me whether or not they think of God in relation to yoga, whether they think of yoga as a religion, or whether they think God is relevant to yoga? I guess the answer to this question may depend on what is meant by the term God, which seems to be a fairly specific word used in a much more general way when talking about yoga.

Perhaps this doesn't have much to do with the original topic of this form, "Yoga and money", but I think it's an important question anyway :-)


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 31, 2004, 5:32 AM

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Nadia, I think your questions regarding the relevance of God do very much relate to the topic of yoga and money.

Mr. Iyengar has written extensively about the relationship between yoga and God, including in the introduction to his best known book, Light on Yoga. A major influence on his thinking is the book called The Yoga Sutras, by Patanjali. Mr. Iyengar published a book called Light on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. The Yoga Sutras describe asana practice as one aspect of a larger practice which is designed to help achieve spiritual liberation. In addition to asana practice, there is also the practice of moral principles, work with subtle energies (prana), and work with aspects of the mind. Devotion to God (called Ishvara in The Yoga Sutras) is one of the practices recommended by Patanjali and Iyengar.

Is this all a surprise to you Nadia? Are you shocked and disillusioned? Are you concerned this is some kind of cult?

It's a little odd that all of this business of spiritual liberation often remains so far in the background of the teaching of asanas.


Nadia
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Aug 31, 2004, 6:29 AM

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Do you really think that I am concerned this is some kind of cult Bryan Alexander? Has my question offended you? The idea of spiritual liberation is no surprise to me at all, but the I have always been confused when people (including the Iyengar family) talk about God. Before I started doing yoga I knew there was a spritual side to it, but I did not know that there was a "God" that people believed in. I have the feeling that God in yoga is not the same as God in Christianity, that it is not a specific person or being who created the world etc, it's different to that (correct me if I'm wrong). I am still a beginner to yoga and have not read any writing by BKS Iyengar himself, although I have read other yoga books and information on the Internet etc. What I love about yoga is that it does combine the physcial and mental side of life.

Considering the world we live in I don't think it's odd that the spiritual liberation of yoga stays more in the background of teaching asanas. I think a lot of teachers realise when they teach in a gym or community centre, that people are not necessarily that interested in this side of yoga, that just seems to be the way it is.

Don't you think that with any religion, way of life or phylosophy (whatever you want to call it) that one should question it? Should we just take it all for granted? That is being just as narrow-minded as somebody who refuses to take on anything new.


Bryan Alexander
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Aug 31, 2004, 7:13 AM

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Nadia, thank you so much for continuing the discussion, and for sharing your view.

I wasn't offended by what you said at all. I really was concerned that you may not have realized the spiritual background of the teaching of asanas. But your last posting clarified that: you are aware that Mr. Iyengar speaks of God quite a lot.

I do think that the God that Mr. Iyengar speaks of is quite comparable to the God spoken of by Christians. Supreme creator, specific being, and all of that. I base this opinion on what I have read.

You say that "Considering the world we live in" you don't think it's odd that the spiritual part of yoga stays in the background. Yeah, I guess that there are a lot of things about the world we live in that feel odd to me. They really do. I walk around surprised a good bit of the time.

Should we question religion and philosophy and ways of life? I don't think it's a question of whether we should or not. I personally do question things, and that's a fact, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. For those who don't question things, I don't tell them they should.


DamienL
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Nadia, Yoga and religion are very closely tied together. As jday mentioned yoga means Union. That union is with God. In hinduism there are many names for God, encompassing its/his many facets. Some like the Hare Krishnas which engage in bhakti yoga seek union with krishna. Those that follow shankarachara seek union with the unqualified brahman (god unmanifest). The bhagavad gita one of the main religous text of hinduism speaks of the different forms of yoga as jday has mentioned.
I think the 'problem' is that many westerners have the perception of yoga being asanas. Asana is not yoga but part of the path of hatha and astanga yoga. So Yoga is the Goal and Asana is the means.
Namaste


jot1
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Sep 4, 2004, 7:07 AM

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When the various Yogas were unethically divorced from the Hindu religion and thus became an exercise business (or "spiritual" business), the ball was sent rolling down the hill to the depths of ignorance that we see today.


suhas
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Sep 8, 2004, 5:21 AM

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If you think about it, techology and material development has brought in as many problems as it has solved, and one of the issues is life has begun revolving around money, you simply need it to survive - car, college education, house ... there is nothing an individual can do about it, if he has to "live" in society.

I think the ancient yogis realised it, and hence never concentrated on material or technology development, though they were capable of doing so. (People with so much of intelligence should have invented everything years ago).

We cannot force society to go back to those times. Honestly, not many of us are going to get self-realisation either. The healthiest attitude is to try and get in the best out of what is there on offer, rather than worrying about how it should be.


Nadia
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Sep 10, 2004, 11:23 PM

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Does anyone find it ironic that this discussion is taking place on the internet? Even if you think that people are ignorant to spiritual side of yoga, and you dont approve of the way yoga has been adapted into society, you must agree that the possibilties of technology this materialistic world can offer are enormous. I have the impression that in this world there will always be a certain percentage of stupid people, and within any religion, philosophy, way of life etc. there will always be ignorant people who you may think do more harm to it than good. Lately I feel like I just don't understand this world and the people in it, but I am given hope in humanity by the fact that peaceful things like yoga, meditation etc are increasingly gaining popularity. My yoga teacher is always reminding us that yoga is about non-violence. Even if the spiritual teachings of yoga have been "divorced" in society, it still sends a positive message to people, and I find that extrememly important. I also have the impression that teacher training in Iyengar yoga is very strict (I couldn't speak for other styles) which helps maintain a genuine teaching of it around the world. Am I correct in assuming this?

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