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jot1
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Oct 28, 2004, 5:38 AM

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YOGA IS A RELIGION


Yoga is not only a religion, but: Yoga is a universal religion. Of course the religion in question is Hinduism and specifically Vaishnavism: Yoga came into existence when the world came into existence and has existed from time immemorial. Hiranyagarbha was the original propounder of Yoga. Hiranyaarbha is none other than Narayana [the Hindu Deity Visnu], the Creator. Yoga was not created but it was always there and it will remain forever.
Though Patanjali is not the originator of Yoga, the credit goes to him as he collated and codified the subject and presented the essence of Yoga which was scattered in the
[various Hindu scriptures] Vedas and Upanishads. Patanjali is an incarnation of Adisesa the [snake] couch of Lord Visnu.
Why do we do Yoga? It is only after we continue practicing yoga that it dawns on us that we do not do yoga for health. Lord Krishna
[an incarnation of Vishnu] says in the Bhagvad Gita [fundamental Hindu scripture] that each one of us remains unmanifest in the beginning, gets manifested and at the end dissolves into the unmanifested state. So Krishna is your teacher and my teacher. HE is the foremost Guru. The enlightenment of wisdom comes from Lord Krishna who is in the heart. Yoking the mind, intelligence and consciousness to the Soul or the Self is possible only through the Yogic disciplines. Lord Krishna says: 'I am the mata, dhata, pitamahah' which means He is the mother, the father, the grandsire and everything. 'I am the Lord,' He says, 'the witness, the Resort, and the saranam,' which means that you can totally depend on Him and He will take care of everything.
People often divide yoga practices as physical, mental and spiritual. This is untrue. The moment you say that you are doing yoga on the 'physical' level as exercise for your health, it indicates that your psycho is completely dormant. We create divisions to show that one is highly qualified or educated. It is humbug. It was a travesty that asanas were dubbed as exercises, deprecated as exercises. Commercialization is harmful for yoga because then you give what people want. This is not proper. Yoga can never ever become a profession; should not become a profession! There can be no licensing
[certification] applicable to teaching yoga. Full-time yoga teaching is not good and not proper. Believing a thief to be an ordinary man is ignorance, but believing a thief to be a saint is 'perverse science' and is dangerous.
Everybody knows that the union of the individual soul with the universal soul is yoga. Asanas may be performed physically when one newly starts learning them but they should not remain a physical endeavor. If one does so, it is like a child going to school and only attending Phys. Ed. Yoga is not an alternative system of medicine, because there is no alternative to yoga and yoga cannot be an alternative to anything else.
Doctors who consider the science of yoga as substandard to their science and ask people not to do it or think of it as contortions of the human body, are not the Gods of the human body but the devils of the human body.
Of course Yoga is the suffix for the many Hindu religious practices. It is to be understood here that yoga is a blend of the four yogas. You cannot be practicing bhakti Yoga, or jnana or karma yoga or dhyana yoga in isolation. We have to build our foundation with hatha yoga, raja yoga, mantra yoga, laya yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga and bhakti yoga. Hence, the need of Yoga in educational institutions. By exposing the children to yoga asanas at the middle school level, interest in the subject of yoga will be created at the right age. Later, at the high school level, when these children are more mature, they can take up the higher aspects of yoga.
Yoga practice is best launched with prayers. The invocation commences with the utterance of aum
[the symbol
\ of Hinduism] three times. All qualities of God, divinity, are encapsulated in that one single word.


jday
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Oct 28, 2004, 5:32 PM

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I recommend a very interesting book entitled "The Crown of Life: A study in yoga" by Kirpal Singh.

A mind opening read.


Nadia
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Oct 29, 2004, 1:25 AM

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Wow! You are absolutely right about everything you said in that post. I can't believe what an open-minded, spiritually aware and wise person you are. In fact, I correct myself, you are 100% right about every single thing you have said on this discussion forum, and I beg you to forgive my ignorance in disagreeing with you earlier. I am truely humbled at how a person can be so right about everything. Don't you ever get tired of always being right? How silly of me, of course not, I'm sure you've never been wrong in your life, and never will be.

Maybe one day, I can be like you too.


jot1
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Oct 29, 2004, 5:56 AM

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Dear Nadia,
Your enthusiasm is heart-warming. Keep trying, my friend!


Lil' Padma
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Oct 29, 2004, 4:29 PM

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Is this your essay or is this a quote from a reference, if so, please provide. Thank you. - LP


jot1
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Oct 30, 2004, 6:16 AM

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Is this your essay or is this a quote from a reference, if so, please provide. Thank you. - LP What do you think about the content LP?



pascal
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Oct 30, 2004, 1:05 PM

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hum...looks like yoga have its talibansUnsure


Lil' Padma
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Oct 31, 2004, 12:57 AM

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Dear Jot1
It's obvious you care deeply and are passionate, however I feel that there is little careful circumspect commentary. A lot of statements, and fact making that does not seem to invite friendly discussion in some instances. If you are Vaishnava, and are in a discussion with non-hindu's, perhaps you should restrict yourself to the precept's pretaining to right speech. I offer this in sincerity and respect. LP


jot1
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Oct 31, 2004, 6:49 AM

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hum...looks like yoga have its talibansUnsure What do you mean Pascal? Do you practice Iyengar Yoga?



jot1
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Oct 31, 2004, 6:55 AM

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Dear Jot1
It's obvious you care deeply and are passionate, however I feel that there is little careful circumspect commentary. A lot of statements, and fact making that does not seem to invite friendly discussion in some instances. If you are Vaishnava, and are in a discussion with non-hindu's, perhaps you should restrict yourself to the precept's pretaining to right speech. I offer this in sincerity and respect. LP Dear LP, Do you practice Iyengar Yoga? What is your religion?



pascal
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Oct 31, 2004, 7:51 AM

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dear jot1, to answer your question:i practice iyengar yoga for 7 years. i am an atheistTongue. and yoga is not a religion. well, you are going to say "yoga is a religion"Mad and write hundreds of pages about it, considering as heretics all the bad yogis who don't practice the right way (the right way=your way, of course), etc etc... you are too dogmatic, modern yoga is "religion-free" (you know , as low fat food is "sugar-free"). in my opinion religion for people is like sugar: in small quantity, it can makes life a little bit sweet, in big quantity, it kills you (and other people ...) so pratice your yoga the way you like it, with the amount of religion you like, but don't oblige anybody to walk on your step (this is to be a talibanCrazy...). love & peace Sly


(This post was edited by pascal on Oct 31, 2004, 7:53 AM)


jot1
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Nov 1, 2004, 6:22 AM

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Gee Pascal,
If as you say "yoga is not religion," one then has to assume that dictionaries, encycolpedias, innumerable scholarly books on compartive religions and specific religions, etc., etc. are all wrong--now who is being dogmatic (not that you know what that means).


Lil' Padma
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Nov 1, 2004, 10:39 AM

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Dear Jot 1,


Doctors who consider the science of yoga as substandard to their science and ask people not to do it or think of it as contortions of the human body, are not the Gods of the human body but the devils of the human body.

You are using [ ] , so it is requested of you to give credit to your sources. LP


Lil' Padma
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Nov 1, 2004, 10:42 AM

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Jot 1,

What do you hold yourself to? Your sarcasm is unbefitting .

LP


Nadia
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Nov 1, 2004, 11:38 PM

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Dear jot1

The only person on this forum who has said anybody's views are wrong is you. Why do you bother discussing anything when you clearly think everybody is wrong? What's the point in probing people with questions and provoking debates when you obviously aren't prepared to listen to anybody else. That's what discussion is about,opening your mind to different views, trying to understand other people's ideas.

You said :
"If as you say "yoga is not religion," one then has to assume that dictionaries, encycolpedias, innumerable scholarly books on compartive religions and specific religions, etc., etc. are all wrong".

Why do you assume all these books etc right? To automatically take these things on as your own beliefs without thinking about what it really means is just as dogmatic and closed minded as assuming them wrong. And furthermore, haven't you realised yet there is no right or wrong in this world? Nothing is black and white and there are no absolute answers. In saying that yoga is not a religion Pascal is saying that it is not a religion for him, it is not the way he sees it.

Why do you choose hinduism as your faith and not christianity? In your view, it would seem that chosing one religion exclusively over another is say that this religion is right and all the others are wrong. Are you then saying that various "innumerable scholarly books" are all wrong? Is the word of God all wrong? According to some christians you will go to hell? What do you think of that? Are they all wrong?

Are you actually thinking about anything I have said or did you just decide I was wrong before you started reading. Do you honestly think that everything I am writing is wrong? I think you do, oh well. I hope you enjoyed reading it anyway.

Nadia.


jot1
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Nov 2, 2004, 5:59 AM

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Jot 1,

What do you hold yourself to? Your sarcasm is unbefitting .

LP

So, you are in agreement that "Yoga is not a religion?"


jot1
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Nov 2, 2004, 6:06 AM

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Dear Nadia,
"Nothing is black or white" not even black or white? One who truly "believed" that everything was simply as one perceived it, would never critize anyone for holding to specific beliefs--maya, maya, maya.

Gee, let's see if one says they hold to a religion, that must mean that other religions are false--that mean's if I hold to no religion then all religion is false. If I choose to be doctor, then that must mean that every other profession is false... Hope you can see how silly is that way of "thinking."


jot1
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Nov 2, 2004, 6:07 AM

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BTW Nadia,
Do you practice Iyengar Yoga?


Nadia
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Nov 2, 2004, 2:44 PM

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I'm going to dodge your question and ask a question back to you, like you seem to do so well.

Do you practice Iyengar yoga jot1?

I seriously doubt you practice anything but arguing. You're not even a hindu as you claim your are.


jday
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Nov 2, 2004, 2:55 PM

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This forum has become dominated by jot1's questions and answers. Like Gangadip before me, I suggest that we leave off replying to anything jot1 says, and get back to discussion of our life in regards to Iyengar yoga. I must assume, since we are part of a forum on a site called "Iyengar Yoga Resources" that we all practice Iyengar yoga or are interested in learning about it. With that comminality in mind, I hope that we can continue to discuss and learn.

Jot1, you are welcome to reply to my post, but I will not respond.


suhas
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Nov 3, 2004, 6:31 AM

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Is their an equivalent word for religion in Hinduism ?

The closest used is Dharma, which implies duty and righteousness

Just curious - I think the concept of religion itself is un-Hindu


classyoga
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"Obviously," I'm not part of the Iyengar cult. Notice, the suggestion to stop talking about this issue. Notice the false statement to my not being Hindu. How would "you" know that? Is that poster a Hindu? Fact, Yoga is Hindu Dharma. Yes, Dharma is the more appropriate word. However, scholars do understand that the word "religion" is used in discussing the various religions of the world. Simply get a book on comparative religions and look up Yoga. Why the denial? Of course, it is all about marketing and individuals wanting to be looked at as "yoga teachers." Avidya and Asmita.


BhujangaTrasitam
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Muslims have to blow up a building before they will be called terrorists, but Hindus only have to assert the religious underpinnings of their practices to be called Taliban.

 
 
 


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