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Bryan Alexander
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May 24, 2001, 6:53 PM

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My worst experience in a yoga class was one of intense embarrassment. During class, I asked a question of the teacher, who was not an Iyengar teacher, about a posture. She replied that she felt I was trying too hard. And then she lectured the class for 5 minutes not to do what I was doing.

It was terribly embarrassing to be used as an example of what not to do.

I am curious what other students' worst experiences are.

Bryan Alexander
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May 30, 2001, 6:51 PM

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Well? Doesn't anyone want to share an experience?

Anyone had a mildly annoying experience?

liz pagan
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Jun 19, 2001, 8:40 PM

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When I was fairly new to Iyengar I took an intensive that turned out to be an advanced backbend class.

When I told the teacher that I didn't do handstands often because of a wrist condition, she (being a non-native English speaker, perhaps) interpreted it as my having said that I didn't practice yoga often. She berated me, and I was doubley mortified as as my regular teacher happened to be in the same class.

I made it through the backbend class -- "do again! do again! do again!" -- and I went home and cried for an hour -- and even went back the next day for another class I'd registered for.

But although I sign up regularly for intensives held in my area by visiting "senior instructors," I doubt I will ever take a lesson with this particular, extremely non-compassionate, teacher.

Bryan Alexander
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Jun 20, 2001, 7:17 PM

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Thanks, Liz. That sounded pretty awful.

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Jul 21, 2001, 3:46 PM

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anatomist
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Jul 24, 2001, 12:18 AM

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I thought about your experince, Bryan, and I think I should put forward the possibility that you overreacted. Of course, I wasn't there, and the teacher may really be a jerk who likes to belittle people. However, what you describe sounds ordinary to me and should not be taken personally.

My background is more in martial arts and fitness instruction than yoga, but they are all similar in that you are there to be corrected in accordance with ideals and techniques in which you lack knowledge or skill, otherwise you would be the teacher. You recieved individual attention and correction. The instructor thought your mistake important enough to interrupt the class and make it into a general lecture, which means it was neither a stupid nor uncommon mistake. Getting hung up on ego blows and negative emotions associated with making mistakes can be a huge, even insurmountable obstacle to learning a physical discipline. I have known many Aikidoists who were incapable of learning because they were too stubborn and egoistic to allow the possibility that they were wrong.

In zen, there is a concept called mushin or 'beginners mind' in which you let go of what you think you know and all the pride wrapped up in it, and attempt to cultivate an empty and open mind that can learn. Cultivating mushin is an ongoing struggle - the emotional sting of such an encounter can help you to get back there. I think seeking justification and support for your hurt feelings is a step in the wrong direction. If your car broke down, and it made you upset, would you go to a psychological support group for victims of auto failure or an auto repair class?

K.

Anonymous
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Jul 24, 2001, 4:40 PM

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to the short lived message of ex-iyengar girl:...I have similar experience at the amsterdam-iyengar studio...I think the followers of iyengar have inherited through their teachers:low self esteem, fascist tendencies and very little yoga knowledge...the fact you have deleted her message shows you're all the same bastards

Gabriel
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Jul 24, 2001, 5:43 PM

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Just wondering what the short lived message was about - maybe there should be a "CRITICS" section, which I've seen on some sites, which could allow the dissentors space without cluttering up the individual threads with general rants...

Bryan Alexander
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Jul 24, 2001, 8:08 PM

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To Anatomist,

I agree that getting hung up on blows to the ego is a pattern that would warrant attention.

But also, I find it useful to talk about emotions. Emotions are a huge part of our moment-to-moment experience, and they are worth talking about. That's why I brought up this experience of intense embarrassment. Judging from some other recent postings on this site in which emotions were intense, an open discussion is in order.

If I overreacted, it was in placing a judgment on the experience by calling it a bad one.

I suspect also that, generally, using a student as a negative example very much complicates the lesson because of the emotions that arise in all of the students. If I ever teach, I will avoid that technique.

To the Moderator,
Perhaps you could state the reason for deleting a posting, and I would hope that reason would reflect the utmost caution about the decision to censor.

anatomist
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Jul 25, 2001, 3:56 AM

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There is no way to teach without constantly criticising everyone, because none of us are doing things perfectly. The part of class where one student is singled out and worked on and everyone watches the teacher give feedback is the most important part. We do it two to three times per class. I've never seen anyone turn red or burst into tears. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, because I get the best feedback that way. Learning is all about feedback, and feedback is often negative. I reiterate that it seems like you are getting hung up on square one, and misunderstanding the nature of the enterprise of learning a physical discipline. The best thing to do with feelings of embarassment about correction is to change your perspective. Cultivate mushin and embarassment will become irrelevant. If you keep putting in yourself in the mind of a beginner, you will be grateful for corrections, because you have given yourself permission to know nothing, and be incompetent, and to listen and try hard.

K.

Ivan
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Jul 25, 2001, 10:38 AM

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Dear yogis,

As the moderator of this forum, I would like to clarify a few things that have popped up in this and other discussions:

a) This forum is an open platform for people who want to discuss topics related to yoga as taught by BKS Iyengar.

b) The forum is "open" in the sense that everybody can participate, you don't have to subscribe, you don't have to give your real name, you don't even have to give a valid email address.

c) As in every form of discussion, there are certain rules which everybody has to obey. Otherwise the discussion gets chaotic and useless.
For example:
* don't insult other people
* don't tell lies
* don't pretend that you are somebody else
* etc.
Yogically speaking, please practise your "yama" and "niyama".

d) In principle, I do not want to censor messages. They can be overly praising or overly critical. However, if somebody submits a message which is against the basic rules, I reserve the right to censor (I will always clearly state that a message has been deleted, and you can always ask me for the precise reason).

e) There are two messages that I have deleted recently. Both of them were insults directed personnally at two yoga teachers (they were mentionned by name). In my opinion, this is clearly against basic rules of conduct. I will delete messages of this kind also in the future.

If you have more questions regarding the policy of the discussion forum, censoring etc, you can also contact me privately by email at: info@iyengar-yoga.com.

Regards,

Ivan
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Anonymous
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Jul 26, 2001, 10:37 AM

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to the moderator: bks is just a servant of yoga..he didn't invent yoga..in that sense there's only one yoga

Anonymous
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Jul 26, 2001, 10:41 AM

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mr.moderator....your statement sounds so democratic! a far cry from I what experienced in the Iyengar yoga class...

Bryan Alexander
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Jul 27, 2001, 8:15 PM

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To "Ex-iyengar girl": Please tell us what was objectionable about the class you mention. And with all due respect, restrain yourself from offending the guidelines set out by the moderator, so that we can read what you think.

Anonymous
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Aug 2, 2001, 1:52 PM

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on request of bryan:...would you trust a teacher who's not correcting the ones who cannot do the asana? or the one who's favourite students are the ones who are able and particular the nice females?...or even the teacher who himself is stiff(can't even do lotus!!!) and abuses verbally the people in his class...I felt like being looked upon as somebody inferior...and i didn't feel any compassion for the weak..in other words 'fake' was more proper

wanda isley
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Aug 6, 2001, 8:13 PM

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the worst experience was a yoga instructors who tried an emulate Iyengars third world form of disciple without Iyengars compassion or understand of asthanga

yogibear
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Aug 7, 2001, 12:19 PM

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more time sent on your mat in the morning
might eradicate the egos need to indulge in
idle gossip

anatomist
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Aug 9, 2001, 12:03 AM

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...then again, that mat time might incline you toward interrupting others' conversations with dour, pretentious posturing...

Witold Fitz-Simon
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Aug 28, 2001, 4:58 PM

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With regards to the thread of being used as an example in class:

I study Iyengar Yoga at the Institute in New York. For six months, about two years ago, every time my teacher did Downward-Facing Dog, she would come upon me as the example of what not to do in the shoulder area (ie: sink down into the shoulders and drop the chest to the floor). The class would come to a halt and everyone would gather round and watch me while I gritted my teeth trying to hold the pose as she poked and prodded and adjusted me for my, and the class's, benefit. I'm not exaggerating when I say that it happened at least twice a month for six months. I started off dreading going into Down-Dog, but it eventually became a source of amusement to me. And then, somehow, somewhere, in that six-month period, the message got through and I rarely need that adjustment anymore.

As to my worst experience in a yoga class, I was studying Ashtanga Yoga, and I was in a Mysore-style class. We got to Marichyasana II and the teacher put me in the pose in the way that they often do in Ashtanga. He pressed the padmasana knee down to the floor and we heard a loud and painful pop. I finished the practice okay, but was hobbling around on that knee for months. I still have occasional problems with it.

In some ways, the event was a blessing, because it led me to Iyengar Yoga, which I've taken to like a fish to matsyasana.

(And my padmasana is doing fine these days, too.)